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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday, I listened to a sermon from a preacher of a church in Georgia, a church that could be defined as ‘seeker-sensitive,&#8217;  and the central theme of the message was stated as thus: Jesus Christ came to earth to do away with religion and to talk about and engage us in a relationship.  [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ronclick.wordpress.com&blog=2328897&post=144&subd=ronclick&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Yesterday, I listened to a sermon from a<a href="http://www.garylamb.org/"> preacher </a>of a church in Georgia, a church that could be defined as ‘seeker-sensitive,&#8217;  and the central theme of the message was stated as thus: Jesus Christ came to earth to do away with religion and to talk about and engage us in a relationship.  I have heard this man, Gary Lamb,  speak at a church I once attended.</p>
<p>In keeping with the anti-religion theme of the sermon, a major portion of the sermon concerned itself with expounding against the error of legalism and our inability to please God by our adherence to &#8216;religious&#8217; rules.  In general principle, I could not agree more.  The call against legalism was contrasted with the call to have a relationship with Jesus.  The pastor stated that Jesus wants us to be His friend rather than a slave. I agree, but as an aside, I think of the apostle Paul describing himself as a bond servant to the Messiah.  Semantics and definitions&#8230;..</p>
<p>Given the pastor&#8217;s admirable distaste of legalistic religion, it is interesting that he constantly reinforced the idea that this relationship with Jesus requires an initiating action on our part.  The pastor&#8217;s flock was told that all we have to decide to enter in to a relationship with Him; it&#8217;s a free invitation.  Jesus is just standing there waiting patiently for us to do something.  He misquoted John 3:16 as &#8220;For God so loved the world that who ever believes, <em><strong>who ever decides, who ever makes the action, makes the decision </strong></em>for Him will have eternal life.&#8221;  This is a verbatim quote from the sermon.</p>
<p>Romans 10:13 was misquoted as &#8220;Who ever calls, <strong><em>whoever makes a decision,</em></strong> on the Lord will be saved.&#8221;</p>
<p>Revelation 3:20 was misquoted as, and I paraphrase fairly closely, &#8220;that Jesus stands at the door of our heart and <em><strong>we must make a decision to open the door.  Jesus is not going to kick in the door.</strong></em>&#8221;  One, this is a verse that is so often and with good intention taken out of context and used evangelically.  However, Christ is talking to the tepid church of Laodicea, not to the unregenerate as an invitation to a saving &#8216;relationship.&#8217; Two, he intentionally misquoted scripture again.</p>
<p>However, in all the talk about entering into some rather ill-defined ‘relationship&#8217; with Jesus, I do not recall hearing a word about despair over sin, about repentance.  That is an absolutely breath-taking omission in presenting the Gospel.  Perhaps such was inferred, was understood on the part of the pastor, but the biblical call to repent and believe was not verbally presented as the invitation to a relationship with Christ.  To give credit where credit is perhaps due, he did mention towards the beginning of his sermon, thought, that he was quite a hellion before he became a Christian.  I am not sure if I am to infer a call to repentance from that.</p>
<p>Among the pastor&#8217;s numerous personal anecdotes the he used to punctuate the sermon&#8217;s main points, there was a long rant about a legalistic ‘King James Only&#8217; type church the pastor once attended.  There was another church he spoke against in the course of the sermon, one that he planted and pastored (if I recall correctly), and after calling it by name, inferred it would be welcomed in hell.   Following a bit later was a diatribe against sprinkling verses dunking.</p>
<p>While listening to the sermon, I had to remind myself that the pastor is a human being who apparently feels he has been hurt by individuals in the church.   Sometimes, and sadly, such happens.  There was some real, though veiled, bitterness exhibited in his descriptions of previous churches he had be involved with, and I have to temper my thoughts and words in regards to this man and his church.  I have some empathy for him.</p>
<p>Towards the end of the sermon, he presented the ever so ubiquitous and unbiblical refrain of the seeker-sensitive church, the all too common proclamation of how it is not his job as pastor to feed the flock, that it is the flocks fault when they complain about not getting fed at church.  His spin on those who want to &#8216;go deeper&#8217; was that they want the pastor to ‘confuse them&#8217;.  He stated such cannot handle practical teaching because they would have to do something.  These seeker-sensitive preachers and entertainment-driven churches seem to all be reading from the same script.  At the risk of sounding judgmental while perhaps speaking from the burden of my personal baggage, arrogance and disdain for the real ‘seekers&#8217; seems to have stepped in to fill the gaping void left by the absence of overt legalism.</p>
<p>In the last few minutes of the sermon, Jesus was presented as a marriage fixer, a relationship healer, but overall, I actually heard very little about Christ the Redeemer.</p>
<p>In all the pastors admirable concern about legalism, what I picked up from the sermon, with all its calls to decide, with all the calls to perform an action both in initiating this relationship with Christ and the call to self-feed, was an ironic invitation to a works-driven legalism-lite.  What I picked up, too, was a not-so-subtle &#8216;thank God I am/we are not like those Pharisees attitude.   For brevities sake, I will refrain from further exploring this theme of minor league legalism.  I think it could be stated with a high degree of confidence that all who are in Christ are, to some degree, recovering Pharisees.</p>
<p>What I was left with after listening to this sermon was an odd mix of muted anger at and profound sadness for the pastor.  I felt only deep sadness for the flock as they clapped in approval.  In all honesty, two or three years ago, if I were in that audience, I would have probably nodded my head in agreement and put my hands together along with the rest of the flock.  In closure, what grieves me so very, very deeply is that this is probably not an uncommon sermon in many churches.  With good intentions from well-meaning pastors, the evangel is reduced to an invitation to an ill-defined relationship with buddy Jesus, a relationship that carries some vague promises to fix our marriages, to fix our money, to fix our psychology.  He just wants you to get out there and do something to fill the church seats so other people can meet Him just as you did.  And you know what, despite the error being expounded from the stage, I believe some may actually have a saving encounter with Christ in such services, but I also fear many others will be filled with false assurance.</p>
<p>There are some preachers who will tell you salvation is free, that it&#8217;s easy, but it&#8217;s ultimately up to you to decide, to act, to initiate.  I do not think it was without cost for Jesus.  I do not think it will be without cost to me, but I have counted them as best I can.  I did not initiate this relationship, my Messiah did.  I do not think it will be easy, but I will follow Him knowing that I will stumble along the way.  Jesus does look after and love His flock with tender care, but He never promised a ‘wonderful plan for your life&#8217; as many would define wonderful.  I know, too, that no one can snatch me from His grip.</p>
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<li><em>Matt. 22:14 (ESV)<br />
For many are called, but few are chosen.</em></li>
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<li><em>John 15:16 (ESV)<br />
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.</em></li>
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<li><em>John 6:44 (ESV)<br />
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.  And I will raise him up on the last day.</em></li>
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<li><em>John 6:37 (ESV)<br />
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.</em></li>
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<li><em>Romans 9:15-16 (ESV)<br />
For he says to Moses, &#8220;I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.&#8221; So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.</em></li>
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<li><em>Ephesians 1:4-5 (ESV)<br />
..even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,</em></li>
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<li><em>Acts 13:48 (ESV)<br />
And when the Gentiles heard this, the began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed</em></li>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;">A number of posts ago, I indicated that I would, at some point in the future, post some thoughts on altar calls in specific, on contemporary evangelical methodology in general. Now is a good time as any to begin. </span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;">I find it interesting how relatively late in church history that it became, for the most part, the </span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"><em>de facto</em></span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"> contemporary evangelical methodology. Here, a little knowledge of church history illuminates. As far as I have been able to determine, and I am not a scholar, seminarian, or student of church history, the altar call methodology was not widely instituted until the early and mid eighteen-hundreds. Charles Finney, with his &#8216;new measures&#8217; is most directly responsible for contemporary evangelical methodology. It is somehow ironic that his legacy and influence reverberates ever so strongly and much of the laity has never heard of him. </span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;">I think an abbreviated history of Finney and his new measures is perhaps in order. Finney, a lawyer who came to faith on October 10</span><sup><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;">th</span></sup><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"> in the 1821 after years of unbelief, became a Presbyterian minister. Part of the process of becoming ordained involved professing adherence to the Westminster Confession of Faith. He later admitted that he was almost totally ignorant of what the document taught. [Charles Finney, The Memoirs of Charles Finney: The Complete Restored Text (Grand Rapids: Academie, 1989), 53-54]</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;">Finney also rejects Calvinism, perhaps as a response to what may be called an errant strain of Calvinism called hyper-Calvinism that he had been exposed to and perhaps by which, ironically, he was led to a profession of faith in Christ. It, too, must be understood that the great revivals, the Great Awakening, had been through preachers and theologians such as Jonathan Edwards and George Whitefield, staunchly Calvinists in their understanding of grace. Finney also entertained ideas errant and dangerous. Essentially, from what I gather, he denied the scope of the Fall and taught what seems to be a justification by works. He appears to constantly downplay God&#8217;s sovereign role in salvation. His theology turns the eyes of the heart from God to a focus on a seemingly ‘not-so-fallen’ humanity. Therein we find egregious harm and error, the seeds of which seem to be in full bloom in this age and time. While evangelicals would reject Finney&#8217;s errant theology if they were aware of it, they heartily embrace his evangelical methodology.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;">What Finney popularized in his aforementioned &#8216;new measures&#8217; was the precursor and close cousin to the altar call, the &#8216;anxious bench&#8217; and &#8216;mourner’s bench&#8217;. What Finney taught was that revival could be &#8216;worked up&#8217; through psychological and emotional inducements. Revival did not need to be altogether prayed down as much as worked up.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;">Going back to altar calls, which are just one expression of an overarching methodology of psychological and emotional manipulation, those who have been in conservative evangelical churches, be they mega or small, be they Baptist or charismatic, be they traditional or contemporary, have often been exposed to calls to come forward to the altar. Many have responded to altar calls, sometimes more than once. Some have come to a redeeming faith in Christ through altar calls. Often, those who give altar calls present the Gospel message completely and without compromise.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;">What many altar calls and variants thereof do, however, is often introduce non-biblical language, non-biblical conditions, and non-biblical calls to salvation. What some altar calls do, also, is offer an easy grace, a salvation seemingly without cost, without an inferred need for repentance. What altar calls may sometimes do is give those who respond a false sense of security because they were actually never presented with the Gospel and therefor never actually came into a redeeming relationship with Christ. Also, many studies and statistics have shown that only a very small percentage, mostly in the single digits, of those who respond to altar calls during crusades and revivals actually remain actively involved in the faith for more than a year. They simply seem to drop out of sight and fall back into their &#8216;pre-decision&#8217; lifestyles. We must remember that the biblical call to evangelize, the Great Commission, is to make disciples, not just converts, real or otherwise.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;">Following are a few examples of misleading evangelical methods. Many calls to the altar proclaim that Jesus has a wonderful plan for your life if one would just respond to the call, raise your hand, or say a prayer. Well, Jesus may not have a wonderful plan for your life as many would count wonderful. Such is never promised in the canon of Scripture. His plan for you may be quite difficult and not without cost. The Messiah&#8217;s calls to discipleship were not easy calls. What would the martyr Steven say about Christ offering you &#8216;your best life now?&#8217; Would such an inducement work in the Sudan? Would such and inducement work in China? We are not called to press an &#8216;easy button&#8217; for redemption. Sadly, I have actually seen, on more than one occasion and at more than one location Jesus being referred to as the &#8216;easy button&#8217; to salvation. </span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;">I have heard other calls to salvation go thusly: “If you cannot remember the moment you were saved, now is the time to &#8216;nail it down.&#8217;” Such is not a biblical call to salvation. The only times that I recall the New Testament calling one&#8217;s salvation into question is the lack of observable growth, of spiritual fruit, over the long term in ones life. What is introduced in the context of the call to &#8216;nail it down&#8217; is a false, unbiblical condition for salvation. To emotionally manipulate someone into making a decision based on doubts about the veracity of or inability to recall an earlier decision bought about by emotional manipulation is both ironic and unbiblical. </span>If you have repented of sin and trust in the grace and redeeming work of Christ alone for salvation, you have it &#8216;nailed down&#8217; and will persist in His grip whether or not you remember the point in time you first came to trust in Christ.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;">I have heard other calls to salvation infer that if one does not respond to this particular call, you may never get another chance to ‘decide’ for Christ, that this particular ‘move of God’ must be acted upon now for you may never get another opportunity. What is inferred in this manipulative scheme is that there is a time stamp on the grace of God. If you do not come forward now or raise your hand or say a prayer, you may never be wooed by the Holy Spirit again. At best, this is unbiblical. The call to grace and redemption through Christ only expires when one departs this tent of flesh.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;">I could go on with more examples of unbiblical and emotionally manipulative methods that I have personally witnessed, but my point is clear. Too, I am absolutely not inferring any ill will is intended by those who use such methods. I am not intending to cast doubt on their love and commitment to Christ. The use of such methods is more born out of perhaps ignorance and perhaps out of a denominational tradition. Without regard to intent, what is happening, though, is that the </span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;">Gospel</span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"> is all too often presented in an often unbiblical way, much like the hard pitch of a used car salesman.</span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"> Do people sometimes come to redemption, to a saving knowledge of Christ through such methods? Sometimes, perhaps more than one would expect, this methodology produces fruit. God can and does sometimes use the one drop of truth in an ocean of error. Sometimes one may run around holding a metal rod during a thunder storm and not get struck by lightening. Does this mean that doing such is a good idea?</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;">More recently, perhaps in the last couple of decades, we have seen the nature of the church being inverted and redefined in some quarters of western Christendom. Rather than going out into the world to make disciples, Christ&#8217;s call to the Great Commission and the nature and constituency of the church had been turned upside down. Now, congregates are now often being instructed to bring the world into a recalibrated church so that a charismatic (not using the word in the theological and Pentecostal sense, but referring to a commanding personality) pastor can present what is hopefully a faithful call to the Gospel. Bring in your ‘unchurched’ friends and family and we&#8217;ll get them saved is the inferred contract. (Note with absolute confidence that I am definitely not saying that is wrong to invite the unsaved to church.) Inducements are introduced to the church to make it more attractive to the &#8216;unchurched.&#8217; Topical and often entertaining sermons that cater to one&#8217;s felt needs replaces sound expository preaching. Give away everything from IPods to motorcycles during the service to draw people through the doors. There is actually a church that gave away an Orange County Choppers custom motorcycle to induce people to come to church. The question is this: Is the clarion call of the word of God, faithfully proclaimed, not enough? Did the apostle Paul deem it necessary to give away camels and tents to bait people to the Gospel? The apostles fished with nets.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;">Why is it that many advisers to church planters (and sometimes the pastors, themselves) appear, as evidenced by their websites, to be more instructors on marketing and product placement than proclaimers of the Gospel? What has happened with the best of intentions is that more and more churches, modeled more on secular business and leadership practices than on biblical mandates are becoming more and more consumer driven. If a service conflicts with the Super Bowl, then the church will reschedule so that attendance does not decline. Increasing numbers of churches are opening up coffee shops in the church to draw in the crowds. Churches put up fountains that dispense chocolate and give massages to moms on Mothers Day to draw people into church. What ends up being engaged, again with the best of intentions, is a &#8216;bait and switch&#8217; evangelical methodology that plays to our self-indulgence. Can such a church survive without creative and witty video introductions to topical sermons that constantly draw on popular culture references? Can it survive with a less than professional band? Can it present a message of hope and reconciliation with God through Christ without framing everything between a pastor&#8217;s personal and often humorous anecdotes? Does such a church depend too much on human creativity and effort and perhaps not enough on the power of His word? When all that is peripheral is stripped away, what is such a church left with? I remember running across this quote from another blog: “What you draw people with is what you draw them to.” How do I reconcile Christ&#8217;s call to die to self in the face of chocolate fountains and easy buttons in church?</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;">Perhaps I am way off base, but much of contemporary evangelical and ecclesiastical methodology, in all its applaudable zeal, seems at times, unintentionally, to treat Jesus as a means to an end rather than an altogether and absolutely wonderful end in and of Himself. It as if Jesus is a prescription being dispensed a sick world. It is as if I have a fatal, systemic infection and am given a wonder drug, an antibiotic, and I am being told that all I have to do is take this drug and I will be healed. I may not develop an all encompassing love for this drug; I may love not being sick more than I love the drug. I may become more enamored with and focused on the one who gave me this drug than the drug itself.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;">I have stated, perhaps ad nausea, what I believe to be wrong with much of American evangelical methodology. What then do I propose is correct? I believe it is this: I</span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;">n the times the Gospel is preached in the New Testament where we have details of what is said, there is not one single example where anyone is told that the circumstances of their life will necessarily improve when they become disciples of Christ. What is recorded, though, is an absolute focus on and exaltation of Christ. We see the apostles going out into the world proving Christ from scripture. We see the condemnation of sin, the call to repentance, and proclamation of the absolute falleness of humanity. Solely proclaimed is faith in the atoning work of grace through Christ to restore rebellious humanity to the Savior. Such leads to a selfless life focused on Christ.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;">Again, as stated in a previous post, we must remember that Christ, incomprehensibly loved by the Father and Holy Spirit and sharing an incomprehensible unity within their Trinitarian relationship, condescended to take on human flesh and then looked down both barrels of Father God’s holy and incomprehensible and righteous fury over our sin; He faced Father God’s white-hot anger that should have been directed at His redeemed ones. He, the all mighty Creator of all, was beaten and scourged by the created. He was nailed to that horrific Roman torture and death machine, the cross, naked and shamed. He then gloriously defeated death by physically rising from the tomb. Why did He do this? He did it that we, His flock, may be, through His grace alone, clothed in His righteousness, that He may be glorified forever. </span></p>
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		<title>On the Repeated, Simple Instructions Given to Peter by the Messiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, part of me feels as if I should apologize for this post; I recently seem to be beating this subject, the errant attitudes of the seeker-sensitive church, to death.  Also, perhaps it would appear that I go in search for quotes like the one that will soon follow so that I may rant [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ronclick.wordpress.com&blog=2328897&post=62&subd=ronclick&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>First, part of me feels as if I should apologize for this post; I recently seem to be beating this subject, the errant attitudes of the seeker-sensitive church, to death.  Also, perhaps it would appear that I go in search for quotes like the one that will soon follow so that I may rant against them, but I honestly do not.  They seem, at times, to fall in my lap.</p>
<p>That being said, and as mentioned in an earlier post, I have no desire to place myself in the position of being a ‘watch-blogger,&#8217; but when I do stumble across something I honestly believe to be egregiously wrong, I react; I operate under a certain compulsion.  The following quote &#8211; from the blog of the pastor of a small seeker-sensitive church near where I live &#8211; honestly makes me angry; it evokes fury within me.  Let me say, too, that at the beginning of my quest to find a church home, I visited this church from which the forthcoming quote originates.  It is a stereotypical seeker-sensitive church.  In fact, it is a 1/24th scale version of the large mega-church that I left for reasons mentioned in an <a href="http://ronclick.wordpress.com/2007/12/25/an-ecclesiastical-journey/">earlier post</a>.  The church operates under the best of intentions.  Following is the quote from the pastor&#8217;s blog:</p>
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<li><em>&#8220;The mission is not to feed &#8211; but to train. There&#8217;s a difference. Too many spiritual couch potatoes have been sitting around churches complaining they&#8217;re hungry. Folks it&#8217;s a pretty sad day when the pastor has to part the mustache to bottle feed Christians that have been going to church most of their life!&#8221;</em></li>
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<p>Where does this idea come from?  Why does it seem to be gaining such momentum?  Is there a memo being passed around at all these ubiquitous church growth leadership conferences?  How can a pastor, the one charged to feed and nourish, hold his flock in such utter contempt?  Even more interesting and disturbing is the fact that much of the flock sit and nod their heads in agreement.  Is there no longer any discernment in the church?</p>
<p>Too, true couch potatoes, spiritual or otherwise, have no problem feeding themselves.  They perhaps feed themselves on junk food, more often than not.  I speak from personal experience.  One part of the role of pastor is to provide food that strengthens, food that nourishes, among other things, the ability of a Christ-follower to discern truth from error.</p>
<p>One last, perhaps peripheral, word, then the rant mode is turned off. The quest for creativity in &#8216;doing church&#8217; has become an idol worshiped at the alter of the &#8217;seeker-sensitive/church growth movement.  I could hold forth on this issue, ad nausea, for hours, but not today.</p>
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