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		<title>&#8230;by it I see every thing else.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 00:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I swallow the scientific cosmology as a whole, then not only can I not fit in Christianity, but I cannot even fit in science. If minds are wholly dependent on brains, and brains on bio-chemistry, and bio-chemistry (in the long run) on the meaningless flux of atoms, I cannot understand how the thought of [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ronclick.wordpress.com&blog=2328897&post=2537&subd=ronclick&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><blockquote><p>If I swallow the scientific cosmology as a whole, then not only can I not fit in Christianity, but I cannot even fit in science. If minds are wholly dependent on brains, and brains on bio-chemistry, and bio-chemistry (in the long run) on the meaningless flux of atoms, I cannot understand how the thought of those minds should have any more significance than the sound of the wind in the trees. And this to me is the final test. This is how I distinguish between dreaming and waking. When I am awake I can, in some degree, account for and study my dream. The dragon that pursued me last night can be fitted into my waking world. I know that there are such things as dreams; I know that I had eaten an indigestible dinner; I know that a man of my reading might be expected to dream of dragons. But while in the nightmare I could not have fitted in my waking experience. The waking world is judged more real because it can thus contain the dreaming world; the dreaming world is judged less real because it cannot contain the waking one. For the same reason I am certain that in passing from the scientific point of view to the theological, I have passed from dream to waking. Christian theology can fit in science, art, morality, and the sub-Christian religions. The scientific point of view cannot fit in any of these things, not even science itself. I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen, not only because I can see it, but because by it I see everything else.       &#8211; C.S. Lewis, “Is Theology Poetry” in The Weight of Glory</p></blockquote>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have had the pleasure of engaging dialog on things of faith and science with atheist friends and family on more than one occasion.  Either the conversation has centered around the evidence for a Creator, or it has centered on the foundation of morality.  I am, in this post, more interested about atheism [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ronclick.wordpress.com&blog=2328897&post=1530&subd=ronclick&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>I have had the pleasure of engaging dialog on things of faith and science with atheist friends and family on more than one occasion.  Either the conversation has centered around the evidence for a Creator, or it has centered on the foundation of morality.  I am, in this post, more interested about atheism and inferred foundations of ethics and morality.</p>
<p>A while back, there was an advertising campaign in London, if I recall correctly,  that questioned the need to believe in God to be &#8216;good.&#8217;<img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1529" title="dc_20billboard_small" src="http://ronclick.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/dc_20billboard_small.jpg?w=320&#038;h=240" alt="dc_20billboard_small" width="320" height="240" /></p>
<p>The question that should follow is this: why be good for goodness&#8217; sake?  For the sake of argument, let  us assume a materialistic world-view: suppose there is no God.  All that exists is matter that has collected itself into different forms by natural processes without any intervention outside of nature.  This matter either created itself ex nihilo, from nothing, or has existed for eternity.  Those options are all that is reasonably available to the materialist without regard to the cosmological flavor to the day.</p>
<p>Following that matter is all there is, then life must be a product of natural forces and processes, some inferred to be random, and is imbued with no special significance other than that found in the unimaginable  enormity of the odds stacked against life rising from said undirected natural processes.  We are here, to reiterate, due only to natural selection driven by random mutation and environmental pressures.</p>
<p>The bottom line is this:  all there is&#8230;is matter.  Following inexorably is death.  All life ends in death and the annihilation of self, of consciousness, for the self-aware.  All that remains is the decayed flesh and the memories of self carried by those who briefly remain after one departs, dies.  Those memories, too, will be eventually be erased by time as will every edifice, every proud monument, constructed by  the defiant, hairless ape.  To assert otherwise is shear irrational romanticism, perhaps itself a survival mechanism born in light of consciousness, of self-awareness aware of death, before a vast, uncaring universe.</p>
<p>So then, we courageously exhort one another, given what ultimately lies before us, to be good for goodness sake.  Again, why?  How can anything be called evil, or good, in light of mere insensate matter being the ultimate arbiter?  Do we call the actions, the effects, of tornadoes, chipmunks, and supernova good or evil?  No, we do not. In a materialistic context, we can only say we prefer one action over another.  We can only say some things are better for the functioning of society than others.  Common good of society becomes the arbiter of good and evil. Again, why?  Why should I care about the common good of society?  Pragmatism, utilitarianism fail here.  Who decides what is the common good?   Society, a majority?    What about societies with differing standards?  Why should I, as an individual, even care about the common good?  Is survival of the species the most important moral imperative?  The earth, the universe, does not care on whit if humanity lives another moment or a thousand millennia.  To state otherwise is, again, unabashed, irrational romanticism.  Ultimately, there are no consequences for behavior if one can get away with it.  Death is the common leveler and materialism is the ultimate reducing agent of morality.</p>
<p>The bottom line is this: humanity has no intrinsic value if we are only products of blind natural forces and process; there is no firm foundation for morality. Atheism, in its reductionism and when honestly examined, places a value on humanity that is tenuous and at very best utilitarian.  The question that follow is this, who, or what, imbues us with this utilitarian value? Progressive, secular, egalitarian, compassionate societies in the west engage abortion on demand, infanticide, and euthanasia.  Do you remember the circumstances that bought about the death of Terri Schiavo?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t let others off the hook.  Just any theism won&#8217;t do.  Pantheism -belief in a impersonal &#8216;all is god, god is all&#8217; &#8211; , foundational to much of  New Age spiritualism, and deism &#8211; belief in an uninvolved, impersonal &#8216;watchmaker god&#8217;-, what many embrace, acknowledged or not,  in actual function, are really in little better, if any, condition to provide intrinsic value to humanity.  Too, what of that errant offspring of orthodox Christianity, the progressive Universalist, those who assert that eventually all go to heaven?  Essentially, this is just a weak-kneed flip-side to atheism.  In some respects, I would love for Univeralism to be true, but if so, there would be no accountability for moral actions if there is no punishment, no retribution for evil, no justice.  Here is an undemanding god of love, but without the absolute holiness of the triune God.  Is  Stalin in heaven with the god of Univeralism?</p>
<p>Also, I absolutely do not infer that atheists are better or worse than theists in their ethics and behaviors.  All I am saying is that their moral foundation is, consciously or not,  second-hand, pirated, derived from that which they have rejected.  Also, I do not infer that belief in God equals high morality in practice.   People obviously act in opposition to what they profess to believe all the time.  That many have done evil in the name of religion does not invalidate the assertion that a personal, transcendental God is foundational for morality.</p>
<p>It is only the fact that mankind, even in our fallen state, is created in the image of the personal, holy Triune God of the Old and New Testament that we find any intrinsic value and worth.</p>
<p>I want to end on the following, on the day before Christmas, with these words from an earlier post:</p>
<blockquote><p>As profound and foundational are the doctrines of the trinity and the physical resurrection of the Messiah, and absolutely in no means do I intend to diminish their import, it is the incarnation of our Savior that leaves me most breathtakingly at a loss for words. That Christ, fully almighty God, immutable and fully in transcendence over creation, Who spoke into existence, ex nihilo, the natural order, should step out of eternity and condescend to take on flesh, a sinless human nature, and, out of love, subject Himself to a fallen creation, leaves me wanting for words. Christ, God almighty, His incarnation realized by His conception and virgin birth to Mary, was obedient to Father God to the point of death on the cross to provide propitiation for sin and, after defeating death, will for eternity forward, walk with us as we behold His cross-scarred body. Here we find incomprehensible truths that followers of the Messiah will feast on for eons.</p>
<p>How unbelievable is this grace to the ears of those who think that God grades us on a curve. How odd to the ears is this grace to those we engage some sort of concept of karma.  How unbelievable is the transcendent God is to those who engage a the fuzzy self-deification of new-age, neo-pagan pantheism. How daunting and unbelievable is the true, utterly independent and omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God of the Bible to those who engage those strains of liberal protestantism who travel with the impotent, dependent god of panentheism. How simply unbelievable it is to so many that we simply cannot approach and commune with the absolute holy God of creation on our own devices, on our own righteousness, but only through the cross of Christ.</p></blockquote>
<p>Here is hope for a broken, sin ravaged world: Repent, acknowledge and turn away from your sin, your rebellion and disobedience to God, and believe, trust, in Christ, fully sinless man and fully God, who physically rose from the grave defeating death, for the forgiveness of sin so that God counts to you the righteousness of Christ when He looks upon you that you may spend eternity with Him.  That is the Good News.</p>
<p>Wishing all a Merry Christmas!</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Staying home today, still sick&#8230;
While sick, I am, among other and few things, doing a bit of blog updating.  What I have done is add a few intelligent design/evolution links to the sidebar.  I have been immersed, in varying degrees,  as a layperson in the origins question for years.  Recently, I [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ronclick.wordpress.com&blog=2328897&post=1448&subd=ronclick&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Staying home today, still sick&#8230;</p>
<p>While sick, I am, among other and few things, doing a bit of blog updating.  What I have done is add a few intelligent design/evolution links to the sidebar.  I have been immersed, in varying degrees,  as a layperson in the origins question for years.  Recently, I do not generally follow developments in the debate to any great degree.  My interests have moved on to other topics.</p>
<p>That being said, ideas have consequences,  the more profound the idea, the more profound the consequence.  What I have learned over the years that it is not enough, though not without import, to convince someone of the &#8216;correctness&#8217; of a metaphysic.  Ultimately, that is, in my opinion, what the origins debate most accurately addresses &#8211; a metaphysical framework as much if not more so than science.</p>
<p>What I have had the express pleasure to do is to use this debate, in a few conversations, as a springboard to the Gospel.  So what if I am able to convince someone of the correctness, or at least the reasonableness,  of my view of origins with finely honed rhetoric.  Not necessarily a bad thing in and of itself, but as a Christian, I have to point beyond a metaphysical framework to the Redeemer who created the material world.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephen Snobelen Assistant Professor of History of Science and Technology,
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><blockquote><p>Stephen Snobelen Assistant Professor of History of Science and Technology,<br />
University of King&#8217;s College,<br />
Halifax, Canada</p>
<p>Here is a final paradox. Recent work on early modern science has demonstrated a direct (and positive) relationship between the resurgence of the Hebraic, literal exegesis of the Bible in the Protestant Reformation, and the rise of the empirical method in modern science. I&#8217;m not referring to wooden literalism, but the sophisticated literal-historical hermeneutics that Martin Luther and others (including Newton) championed. It was, in part, when this method was transferred to science, when students of nature moved on from studying nature as symbols, allegories and metaphors to observing nature directly in an inductive and empirical way, that modern science was born. In this, Newton also played a pivotal role. As strange as it may sound, science will forever be in the debt of millenarians and biblical literalists.</p>
<p><a href="http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/6065/105/">HT: Creation on the Web</a></p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/6065/105/"><br />
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<p>Some brief thoughts, skeletal in scope,  on the above quote:</p>
<p>I have participated in more than one conversation wherein the assertion is made that Intelligent Design (ID) is no more than a sophisticated &#8216;God of the gaps&#8217; argument.  Further, I have been told that ID has no practical application; it predicts nothing, and, in fact, science could not have arisen from a milieu where religion, inferred to be synonymous with superstition, predominates.</p>
<p>In counterpoint, I find it interesting that many of the fathers of modern <img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1406" title="creation" src="http://ronclick.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/creation.jpg?w=224&#038;h=420" alt="creation" width="224" height="420" />science were Christian.  They inferred that natural laws pointed towards a Law Giver.  They understood on a fundamental level that the universe was coherent and, given time and application of proper methodology, understandable because there was a Divine origin to the material world.   Indeed, could science, dependent on, among other things,  repeatability of phenomena,  have risen in a milieu where the universe was understood to be random and driven by chaos?  Quite frankly, much of modern physics seems so counter-intuitive and bizarre (to me), but, and again, I do not think we could not have gotten to where we are in our understanding of the created order without a foundational inference of a Creator.  Could ramble for hours and flesh these thoughts out more (and, given I will have some time off for the holidays, perhaps I will), but it is 4:00AM, I am sick, and the cold and sinus meds are kicking in.  Becoming soooo sleepy&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<blockquote><p>Psalm 19:1 (English Standard Version)</p>
<p>The heavens declare the glory of God,<br />
and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Some odd thoughts on music and materialism</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In years past, when I was quite young, I briefly entertained thoughts of atheism. I could never embrace full-fledged atheism, and agnosticism was not satisfying on a number of levels, but I guess I lived as if I were a deist. Oddly, one of quite a few factors that restrained me from embracing atheism was [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ronclick.wordpress.com&blog=2328897&post=104&subd=ronclick&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>In years past, when I was quite young, I briefly entertained thoughts of atheism. I could never embrace full-fledged atheism, and agnosticism was not satisfying on a number of levels, but I guess I lived as if I were a deist. Oddly, one of quite a few factors that restrained me from embracing atheism was my love of music.</p>
<p>It all boils down to the identity that we embrace. If I am, as a materialist would affirm, the end result of, over eons, collisions of blind natural forces, then by what, if anything, am I imbued with value and meaning? By what standard can I call anything beautiful in a universe impersonal and driven by nothing but implacable natural laws? Coltrane should mean nothing more than the noise of a boulder falling into a crevasse. Bach should carry no more weight than the croaking of a frog. How do I reconcile a deep love for music when those that create what I perceive to be beauty are, in the final analysis and after all the superficial romanticism is stripped away, no more than puppets of meats? Materialism, atheism, is so reductionist that the only meaning available is that which aids in the propagation of the species, and even the urge to survival is a less than satisfying absolute.</p>
<p>Beauty becomes utilitarian. Beauty &#8211; music &#8211; becomes, at best, defense mechanism that perhaps serves to protect us from harsh truths implied by a reality where God is dead and the universe is all that is.</p>
<p>Only One who transcends the created order is able to lend meaning to our creative efforts. It is the fact that we, though desperately fallen and rebellious creatures, were purposefully created in the image of our Creator that lends foundation for our creativity.</p>
<p>It is without a measure of irony that one of my favorite composers/artists, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Eno">Brian Eno</a>, is an atheist.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>I am green.  In fact, I am so green, the following  post has been recycled, with some modification, about three times since I originally posted it on my now fallow Stumbleupon<a href="http://mondo-ron.stumbleupon.com/"> </a>blog.  I have thought a bit about the &#8220;new atheism&#8221; that has been gaining traction for some time as evidenced the works of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, et al, on the the best seller lists.  Below are some brief thoughts on secularism and its claims on environmental stewardship.  More broadly, there is the question that seeks an answer as to what foundation can a secularist build a substantial moral framework.  I would assert, in reference to the aforementioned question, that materialists essentially piggyback onto the  &#8216;moral bandwidth&#8217; of the Judeo-Christian world-view.</p>
<p><em>Where exactly does humankind reside in the natural hierarchy? If, as the materialist would assert, we are merely a hairless ape with no more importance or than an amoeba in the greater scheme of things, how can our impact on nature, on the environment, for better or worse, be given an ethical value when that of other natural phenomena is not? Is a volcano evil when it spews ‘toxic‘ gases into the atmosphere? Does the beaver wrongly exploit the environment when it fells trees and builds dams? I have cats for pets and have observed them stalking, catching, and then toying with chipmunks that they found in the backyard. Are they cruel or are they acting in accordance with their nature? How is the drilling for oil in the ANWR wrong? How can an oil spill be `wrong‘? How can the deforestation of a rain forest be condemned? All the aforementioned are natural results of a natural action by a natural entity.</em></p>
<p><em>What can truly be defined as ‘unnatural‘? How can a materialist, for all intents and purposes, deify nature and then place humanity outside of nature?  The point is this: Unless nature is the effect of a transcendental cause and humanity occupies a position of ascendancy over nature, one cannot coherently and rationally make moral judgments concerning humanity&#8217;s stewardship and impact on nature. Indeed, how can one derive any moral imperatives from a naturalist framework? The foundation is so plastic, so pliable, that any act can be justified within the confines of natural selection.</em></p>
<p><em>Think on this: Zoology Professor Pianka of the University of Texas seems to endorse the elimination of ninety percent of the human population, perhaps by Ebola, in order to preserve sustainability. He has received accolades for his ideas.</em></p>
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